--- Log opened Sun Oct 12 08:17:41 2008
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08:17 ::: Topic for #alsa: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture, WIKI: http://www.alsa-project.org/ || Unprofessional, unofficial support, see WIKI at http://alsa.opensrc.org/
08:17 ::: Topic set by jcdutton Sat Aug 11 18:13:30 2007
08:17 [Users #alsa] 66 total
08:17    * @ChanServ     clintc_home   ivanich     MistaGee    theneb    
08:17    *  _nono_       crimsun       jeffery     mortal_     Thingol   
08:17    *  alexvd       Dogfood       jmspeex     Mozillion   ttf       
08:17    *  alsa-helper  dooglus       js_         mranostay   tuxwulf   
08:17    *  AStorm       DrErling      JyZyXEL     multi_io    wishie    
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08:17    *  bohan        initself      methods     Sm3GGy     
08:17    *  Cerulean     initself_     MichiK      SuN        
08:17    *  chrisq       intelinsider  Milo-       telmich    
08:17 ::: #alsa: Total of 66 nicks 1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 65 normal
08:17 ::: Channel #alsa created Sun Feb 15 07:08:32 2004
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08:17 < rolle> Mornings.
08:17 < rolle> I need help.
08:18 < rolle> Installed suse again for gnome this time.
08:18 < rolle> And now I need 5.1 alsa sounds.
08:18 < rolle> And don't know where to start.
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09:07 < dooglus> sometimes when I boot, the volume control app doesn't show anything except for a single 'mic' slider.
09:08 < dooglus> if I unplug the webcam and reboot, it seems to come up OK, showing me a whole bunch of different sliders in the volume control
09:08 < dooglus> can I fix this somehow, so that I can boot with the webcam plugged in and still be able to hear sounds?
09:12 < dooglus> unplugging the cam and running alsaconf brings the sliders back
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10:34 < anolis_> my sound is broken. while trying to fix it by reinstalling alsadrivers alsaconf runs, and then states that no valid pci sound devices were found and then continues by prompting if i want to scan legacy devices
10:34 < anolis_> lspci and lshw report both of my sound devices 
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11:19 ::: #alsa: Total of 67 nicks 1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 66 normal
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11:29 < tomsh> hi i have problem with Alsa HDA intel
11:29 < tomsh> no sound and in dmesg
11:29 < tomsh> hda_codec: Unknown model for ALC883, trying auto-probe from BIOS...
11:29 < tomsh> hda_intel: azx_get_response timeout, switching to polling mode: last cmd=0x100f0000
11:30 < tomsh> hda_intel: azx_get_response timeout, switching to single_cmd mode: last cmd=0x100f0000
11:30 < tomsh> and a series of:
11:30 < tomsh> hda_codec: invalid dep_range_val 0:7fff
11:31 < tomsh> now i'm using "1.0.18rc3"
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11:37 < rolle> Haha, everybody asking for help and no-one to answer :D
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13:53 < liza0> hello
13:54 < liza0> is there any reason why my alc888 sound is being detected as alc883
13:54 < maligor> probably identical devices as far as the software is concerned
13:55 < liza0> ok
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14:01 < rolle> Could sumbody now help me?
14:01 < rolle> :P
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15:03 < shade> !help
15:03 < alsa-helper> shade: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
15:03 < shade> !list
15:03 < alsa-helper> shade: Admin, Alias, Babelfish, Channel, ChannelLogger, Config, Herald, Internet, Karma, Misc, MoobotFactoids, Note, Owner, Reply, RootWarner, Services, ShrinkUrl, Status, URL, User, Utilities, and Web
15:04 < shade> !ahelp
15:04 < alsa-helper> When asking for help, there is some information which is of great use to us. Please have the output of one of the helper scripts (alsa-info or tsalsa) ready. If you dont have alsa-info or tsalsa, type !alsa-info or !tsalsa in the channel for information on how to obtain the scripts. Also, once your problem has been looked at, dont forget to thank the people who assisted you!
15:05 < shade> !alsa-info
15:05 < alsa-helper> The alsa-info.sh script collects information about your ALSA setup, and uploads it for you. Other users can then check your setup, and help with your problem. The script can be obtained from http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh (wget -O alsa-info.sh http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh)
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15:21 < rolle> Where should I start getting alsa 5.1 to my suse?
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15:44 < Steve14> Hi there
15:46 < Steve14> I got a problem with my Terratec Aureon 7.1 Space (Via Envy24HT), as it doesn't output anything over the TOSLink output
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15:48 < Steve14> Do you've any idea how to route the sound to the TOSLink (Optical S/PDIF) output?
15:48 < wishie> howdy
15:48 < wishie> Steve14: can i see the output of alsa-info.sh please
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15:49 < Steve14> Is that script shipped with the alsa packages for openSUSE?
15:49 < rolle> Hey wishie
15:49 < rolle> Finally :)
15:51 < wishie> !tell Steve14 about alsa-info
15:51 < wishie> you've been waiting for me rolle ?
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15:52 < rolle> wishie: Yep. 
15:53 < rolle> Woke up early, it was 08am, now its 3pm :P
15:53 < rolle> wishie: I reinstalled suse, now its under gnome and I need to get alsa 5.1 again and I can't remember where to start
15:54 < Steve14> Here you go, wishie: http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=938c2b887e22474afdd041a2b922a46ed7f4d6ec
15:55 < rolle> wishie: Are you online today?
15:55 < rolle> Because I'm having a dinner with my wife now :P gotta talk later.
15:55 < wishie> Steve14: do you want to send pcm over toslink, or only encoded (ac3/dts) stuff ?
15:55 < wishie> rolle: im home, so ill be online for 5-6hrs more 
15:55 < rolle> wishie: Great :)
15:56 < rolle> wishie: This didn't help me today: http://rolle.tux.fi/alsa-51sounds-solved.log
15:56 < rolle> Nor this http://rolle.tux.fi/alsa-51sounds-working-asoundrc-file-for-intel-card.conf
15:56 < rolle> Those worked for suse 11 with kde earlier.
15:56 < Steve14> wishie: I want everything send to the toslink output, as I've connected Studio Monitors via S/PDIF to it
15:56 < rolle> But I guess I don't have right packages installed, but I can't remember where to start configuring alsa.
15:56 < rolle> I have now oss temporarily.
15:57 < rolle> But now food >
15:57 < rolle> I'll be back :)
15:57 < wishie> Steve14: ok, does.. 'speaker-test -c2 -Diec958 -twav' work ?
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15:59 < Steve14> Sample format not available for playback: Argument is incorrect; Setting of hwparams failed: Argument is incorrect
16:00 < wishie> Steve14: ok, does.. 'speaker-test -c2 -Dplug:iec958 -twav' work ?
16:00 < wishie> i forget, it needs S32_LE for that card..heh
16:00 < Steve14> "Front Left, Front Right", Yipeee :D
16:00 < wishie> ok, so that works..
16:02 < Steve14> Btw. Are there any similar mixer programs to Envy24Control for Envy24HT ?
16:02 < wishie> http://pastebin.com/m21f6a0dc
16:02 < wishie> chuck that in /etc/asound.conf
16:02 < wishie> then output will automatically go to TOSlink
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16:03 < Steve14> Sure about these doubled } at the end?
16:03 < wishie> yeah
16:03 < Steve14> Ah, I see ;)
16:03 < wishie> one is for pcm. the other is for slave
16:03 < wishie> so then..
16:03 < wishie> speaker-test -c2 -Ddefault -twav   <-- should work.
16:06 < Steve14> Do I've to restart alsa first?
16:07 < wishie> nope
16:07 < Steve14> I've asound-pulse.state and asound.state in the directory, but no asound.conf
16:08 < wishie> create it
16:08 < Steve14> Ah ok
16:10 < Steve14> hah, it works :D
16:11 < Steve14> But amaroK still uses the headphones for output o0
16:12 < Steve14> Oh, my bad, didn't restart it :)
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16:14 < Steve14> But mplayer doesn't seem to care about asound.conf, even after restarting it uses the headphones for output, wishie :(
16:14 < wishie> hmm
16:14 < wishie> mplayer -vo alsa:device=default some.mp3
16:14 < wishie> umm
16:14 < wishie> mplayer -ao alsa:device=default some.mp3
16:15 < Steve14> Thanks wishie :D
16:17 < Steve14> Uhm, but is there any chance for mixing?
16:18 < Steve14> The souncard gets locked now while playing music ...
16:18 < Steve14> +d
16:18 < wishie> yeah, we can do that..
16:18 < Steve14> Good :)
16:19 < wishie> brb
16:19 < Steve14> np
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16:25 < wishie> try this instead... http://pastebin.com/m5db77224
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16:34 < gnubien> http://www.speech.kth.se/snack/ The Snack Sound Toolkit is designed to be used with a scripting language such as Tcl/Tk or Python.
16:35 < wishie> perhaps moving 10gb over wifi wasnt the best idea in the world..heh
16:36 < gnubien> wishie: what is the file transfer speed?
16:37 < wishie> not good.
16:37 < wishie> 54mbit wifi connection, with other crap going on.. so maybe 2-3mb/sec
16:37 < gnubien> yea, not fast enough
16:37 < Steve14> Now it's completly locked up, wishie :/
16:37 < wishie> hmm
16:42 < Steve14> Any ideas?
16:43 < wishie> so you get no sound with that ?
16:44 < Steve14> Every program says that the card is locked/busy, so they can't intialize it and refuse to play music
16:44 < wishie> even speaker-test ?
16:48 < Steve14> ALSA lib conf.c:1589:(snd_config_load1) _toplevel_:21:0:Unexpected char; ALSA lib conf.c:2850:(snd_config_hook_load) /etc/asound.conf may be old or corrupted: consider to remove or fix it; ALSA lib conf.c:2714:(snd_config_hooks_call) function snd_config_hook_load returned error: Das Argument ist ungültig; ALSA lib conf.c:3079:(snd_config_update_r) hooks failed, removing configuration; Playback open error: -22,Das Argument ist ungültig
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16:49 < wishie> ok, so that means i stuffed up
16:50 < wishie> ok im a moron
16:50 < wishie> http://pastebin.com/m28525bf7
16:52 < rolle> http://www.flickr.com/photos/rolle-/2934543232/
16:52  >>> rolle is sitting on couch and watching stephen king´s nightmare and using his eee901 at the same time.
16:53 < Steve14> That doesn't fix the problem with speaker-test, mplayer and amaroK, wishie :(
16:54 < Steve14> Routing and mixing doesn't work with your latest asound.conf
16:55 < wishie> hmm
16:56 < wishie> let me pay attention then :P
16:56 < Steve14> ^^
16:58 < wishie> http://pastebin.com/m53c49c76
16:58 < wishie> sorry, im being sidetracked at the same time..heh
17:01 < Steve14> I'm sorry, but this asound.conf doesn't help also
17:01 < wishie> rofl
17:01 < wishie> same errors ?
17:02 < wishie> ok, thats it. movie paused.
17:03 < Steve14> lol
17:05 < wishie> http://pastebin.com/m34def01b
17:05 < wishie> lets hope that helps..
17:05 < wishie> you are replacing the contents of /etc/asound.conf with this, right ?
17:07 < Steve14> yes
17:08 < Steve14> Hey, it seems to work :D
17:08 < Steve14> Sound-Test and MPlayer are running at the same time
17:09 < Steve14> amaroK works too, as a third stream :D
17:11 < Steve14> You did it, I believe
17:11 < wishie> yay me
17:11 < wishie> see what happens when you pay attention :P
17:12 < Steve14> true :D
17:12 < Steve14> Big Thanks to you for your help, wishie
17:12 < rolle> BACK
17:12 < rolle> So.
17:12 < rolle> wishie: Where should I start :PP
17:12 < wishie> heh, get in line :P
17:12 < rolle> :DD
17:12 < wishie> well, alsa-info.sh is always a good start
17:12 < rolle> I was here first!
17:13 < rolle>  08:17:42        * Join to #alsa was synced in 1 secs
17:13 < rolle>  08:17:48     rolle| Mornings.
17:13 < rolle> :P
17:13 < wishie> haha
17:15 < rolle> wishie: http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=d0570ef7096aee263899a622c97b77e187470098
17:15 < rolle> Here.
17:16 < wishie> ok, so..
17:16 < Steve14> That's odd ...
17:16 < wishie> you need to unmute and raise the volumes for.. "Surround", and "Center" and "LFE" channels in alsamixer, rolle 
17:17 < wishie> rolle: also, in alsamixer, set the "Channel Mode" to "6ch" 
17:17 < Steve14> My TV programm still uses Headphone output o0
17:17 < wishie> Steve14: make sure its set to use "default" device.
17:18 < rolle> wishie: Hmm, I have only Master in alsamixer.
17:18 < rolle> Wut, it says Card: PulseAudio, Chip: Pulseaudio
17:18 < wishie> heh
17:19 < wishie> interesting
17:19 < wishie> if you dont want/need pulseaudio, then uninstall it
17:19 < wishie> or..
17:19 < wishie> add the following to /etc/asound.conf
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17:20 < wishie> ctl.!default {
17:20 < wishie> type hw
17:20 < wishie> card 0
17:20 < wishie> }
17:20 < rolle> And then rcalsasound restart?
17:20 < wishie> yeah
17:20 < rolle> Let's see
17:20 < wishie> should force the default ctrls to be hw:0,0
17:20 < rolle> peikko:/home/rolle # alsamixer
17:20 < rolle> *** PULSEAUDIO: Unable to connect: Connection refused
17:20 < rolle> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: Connection refused
17:20 < rolle> :S
17:21 < wishie> grr
17:21 < wishie> got a script to stop pulseaudio ?
17:21 < rolle> So let's remove pulseaudio...
17:21 < rolle> :D
17:21 < wishie> should be an init script for it
17:21 < rolle> Hm.
17:21 < rolle> No I have not.
17:23 < Steve14> KDETV doesn't care about the KDE Default Settings o0
17:32 < Steve14> Hmm, I have suspicion that kdetv might still use OSS, is there any way to route the output to s/pdif aswell?
17:44 < rolle> wishie: Is pulseaudio required for something?
17:44 < rolle> I can't open any mixer now.
17:44 < rolle> Removed pulseaudio
17:45 < rolle> alsamixer gui says "function snd_ctrl_open failed for default: No such file or directory"
17:45 < Steve14> tvtime does output it's sound to headphones only, too :(
17:46 < rolle> wishie disappeared :(
17:47 < Steve14> Ping wishie
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17:49 < Steve14> #tvtime
17:50 < gnubien> mv rolle 
17:50 < gnubien> rolle mv ~/.asoundrc ~/.asoundrc.bak; wait; mv /etc/asound.conf /etc/asound.conf.bak 
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17:53 < rolle> gnubien: Done. And?
17:53 < wishie> ill be back shortly
17:53 < rolle> :)
17:53 < wishie> i thought that eating would be a good idea
17:53 < gnubien> rolle: ONLY report no sound or errors after you run this command: speaker-test -c2 -Ddefault -t wav -l1 
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17:54 < rolle> ALSA lib conf.c:3009:(snd_config_update_r) Cannot access file /etc/alsa-pulse.conf
17:54 < rolle> ALSA lib pcm.c:2144:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM default
17:54 < rolle> Playback open error: -2,Tiedostoa tai hakemistoa ei ole
17:54 < rolle> =File or directory does not exists
17:54 < rolle> :P
17:54 < rolle> alsa-pulse......
17:54 < gnubien> rolle: run alsamixer and unmute and set volumes  
17:55 < rolle> Is pulse required, why it seems to be everywhere around alsa?
17:55 < gnubien> nope, its optional
17:55 < rolle> peikko:/home/rolle # alsamixer
17:55 < rolle> ALSA lib conf.c:3009:(snd_config_update_r) Cannot access file /etc/alsa-pulse.conf
17:55 < rolle> ALSA lib control.c:909:(snd_ctl_open_noupdate) Invalid CTL default
17:55 < rolle> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
17:55 < gnubien> rolle: run this: pgrep pulseaudio 
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17:55 < assumedaliv1> hi guys
17:55 < assumedaliv1> got a small problem
17:56 < rolle> gnubien: Nothing prints out.
17:56 < assumedaliv1> i have two sound cards in my system
17:56 < assumedaliv1> and each one is assigned an alsa device number seemingly at random each time i boot
17:56 < gnubien> rolle run this command: cat /proc/asound/cards  #and then paste output to this chan 
17:56 < assumedaliv1> how do i make alsa assign the same device number to each card every time
17:57 < rolle> peikko:/home/rolle # cat /proc/asound/cards
17:57 < rolle>  0 [Intel          ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel
17:57 < rolle>                       HDA Intel at 0xddcf8000 irq 19
17:57 < rolle>  
17:57 < rolle> Here you go :P
17:57 < gnubien> assumedaliv1: you can use alsa index options in your /etc/modules.d/some.file, need more info so..
17:57 < gnubien> assumedaliv1 need more info; run this command: wget -O alsa-info.sh http://alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh && bash alsa-info.sh
17:58 < gnubien> rolle: ubuntu? 
17:58 < assumedaliv1> http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=21389e5b6283526090d1fc54ee668f7d6e477e2c
17:58 < gnubien> ok
17:59 < rolle> gnubien: opensuse.
17:59 < rolle> Gnome.
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17:59 < gnubien> rolle: ls -l ~/.asound* 
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17:59 < rolle> gnubien, last time you and wishie helped me to set up 5.1 sound system on suse 11 kde: http://rolle.tux.fi/alsa-51sounds-solved.log
17:59 < rolle> But now when I reinstalled system I'm helpless again.
18:00 < gnubien> rolle: ls -l ~/.asound* 
18:00 < gnubien> assumedaliv1: you want the revolution card to be default card?
18:01 < assumedaliv1> yea
18:01 < rolle> gnubien: ls |grep asound might be better but no results.
18:01 < assumedaliv1> ive got it set up in my .asoundrc
18:01 < assumedaliv1> and ive pointed it to the revolution
18:01 < assumedaliv1> but the numbers switch round all the time
18:01 < rolle> Either way.
18:01 < assumedaliv1> so half the time sound comes out of the wrong card
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18:03 < gnubien> assumedaliv1: snd modules are not loaded so is kernel compiled with snd modules or in kernel?
18:03 < wishie> assumedaliv1: you need to do the following..
18:03 < wishie> edit /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base and add the following two lines
18:03 < wishie> options snd-intel8x0 index=-2
18:03 < wishie> options snd-ice1724 index=0
18:04 < assumedaliv1> wishie: what will that do
18:04 < wishie> save and exit the file, and reboot.
18:04 < wishie> it will force the ice1724 to card 0
18:04 < assumedaliv1> oh good
18:04 < assumedaliv1> ok
18:04 < wishie> and force the intel8x0 to anything but card 0
18:04 < assumedaliv1> thanks
18:06 < Steve14> hey wishie, can you help me with my tv card? The sound is played over headphone, but not over s/pdif :(
18:07 < Steve14> I don't know wheter tvtime and kdetv use alsa or not
18:07 < Steve14> +h
18:07 < wishie> tvtime doesnt
18:07 < Steve14> Hmm, does it use OSS? 
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18:10 < Steve14> Is there a chance to force the oss output using s/pdif as well?
18:12 < Aelren> My USB headset only outputs from one ear, and I don't know how to control the input/output volume as it does not appear on alsamixer
18:13 < wishie> Steve14: yes
18:13 < Steve14> Got some time to help me with it, wishie? ^^
18:13 < Aelren> And nobody else seems to have the same problem :/
18:14 < wishie> gimme 5
18:14 < wishie> eating
18:14 < gnubien> Aelren need more info; run this command: wget -O alsa-info.sh http://alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh && bash alsa-info.sh
18:14 < Steve14> np, wishie, I can wait ;)
18:15 < Aelren> gnubien: http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=239ba8558f0752306f9e7886934bce7b3c868817
18:16 < rolle> wishie: Whopii, you're back
18:16 < rolle> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
18:16 < rolle> So... what to do.
18:16 < gnubien> Aelren: ok
18:16 < gnubien> how old is your PC? days? weeks? months? years? Aelren 
18:17 < Aelren> Just under a year, I believe
18:20 < gnubien> Aelren run this command and only report errors: amixer set 'Mic',0 72%,72% on cap   
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18:21 < Aelren> no errors
18:21 < gnubien> Aelren run this command and only report errors: amixer -c 1 set 'Mic',0 72%,72% on cap 
18:23 < Aelren> no errors
18:24 < gnubien> Aelren: ok, guessing you had only 1 channel volume set, that command fixed it hopefully, try recording with mic again now, listen to see if 2 channel now
18:24 < Aelren> I can hear feedback from my microphone, also
18:24 < gnubien> Aelren: set mic volume to 30 
18:25 < Steve14> still eating, wishie?
18:26 < wishie> just finished
18:27 < Aelren> gnubien: 
18:27 < Aelren> whoops sorry
18:28 < Aelren> which setting governs overall volume
18:29 < gnubien> Aelren: for your usb mic there is on mic volume
18:29 < Aelren> I mean usb playback
18:31 < gnubien> Aelren run this command and only report errors: speaker-test -c2 -Ddefault:1 -twav -l1    
18:31 < Steve14> wishie: Having some time now?
18:31 < wishie> yeah
18:31 < wishie> you can try to use tvtime via the alsa oss emulation if you want..
18:32 < wishie> Steve14: basically, put a line in /etc/asound.conf like this..
18:32 < wishie> pcm.dsp0 "default"
18:32 < Aelren> gnubien: no errors
18:32 < wishie> then run 'aoss tvtime'
18:32 < Steve14> wishie: That's all?
18:32 < gnubien> Aelren: did you hear sounds with at speaker-test command?
18:32 < Aelren> gnubien: yes.. although they were the wrong way round
18:33 < Aelren> I suppose I'll just wear it the other way :P
18:33 < gnubien> Aelren: your usb headphones work, try a recording with the usb headset now
18:33 < Aelren> gnubien: Yes, but it's far too loud
18:34 < gnubien> Aelren run this command and only report errors: amixer -c 1 set 'Mic',0 22%,22% on cap 
18:34 < gnubien> Aelren: then try recording again
18:34 < Steve14> It still outputs over headphones, wishie :(
18:34 < Aelren> gnubien: a bit better, thanks
18:35 < gnubien> Aelren: maybe you will get a playback volume control when you upgrade to a newer version of alsa drivers
18:35 < rolle> ..
18:35 < rolle> How do I get SOME sound with alsa...
18:36 < Steve14> same with kdetv, wishie
18:36 < Aelren> gnubien: oh wait, that command didn't actually change the volume
18:37 < gnubien> rolle: suse has some config file that it starting or telling alsa to use pulseaudio, you need to find all the config files for pulseaudio and mv them to a .bak file 
18:37 < Aelren> oh. no, sorry, right
18:37 < wishie> Steve14: configure tvtime to use dsp0
18:38 < gnubien> rolle: read the faqs,docs,bugs at suse home page or ask in #suse and search the suse forum and wiki 
18:38 < wishie> rolle: what is the problem now ? 
18:38 < wishie> rolle: have you removed pulseaudio ? 
18:39 < Steve14> tvtime --mixer=/dev/dsp:line, doesn't solve it :/
18:39 < wishie> /dev/dsp0
18:39 < gnubien> wishie: rolle has removed pulseaudio and moved .asoundrc and /etc/asound.conf but still gets pulseaudio errors
18:39 < wishie> with speaker-test ?
18:40 < gnubien> yes
18:40 < wishie> what are they ?
18:40 < Steve14> Doesn't help, wishie :(
18:40 < wishie> Steve14: damn
18:40 < wishie> Steve14: i take it you have an analogue tv card, hence, tvtime
18:40 < Steve14> yep
18:41 < wishie> Steve14: there is another way, but it wont allow mixing..heh
18:42 < Steve14> That's not nice :(
18:42 < wishie> do you _need_ to use tvtime ?
18:42 < wishie> i do understand that its a great program, but with no dvb or alsa support, its getting rather dated.
18:43 < Steve14> I don't need to, I just need a tv program for my anlogue card
18:43 < Steve14> That works with alsa :)
18:43 < wishie> kdetv ? kwintv ?
18:44 < Steve14> kdetv outputs over headphones, too :(
18:45 < wishie> hmm
18:45 < wishie> it has alsa support though
18:45 < wishie> so we will be able to force it :P
18:46 < Steve14> ohhh, goody :D *hehe*
18:46 < rolle> wishie: I tried removing pulseaudio.
18:46 < rolle> But then alsa said that files or directorys not found and didn't start any mixer or test or anything.
18:46 < rolle> Now I installed them back.
18:46 < Steve14> Let's start then, wishie :)
18:46 < wishie> rolle: can i see the errors when running 'speaker-test -c2 -Ddefault -twav' please  
18:46 < rolle> And I still can't start alsamixer or hear sound in tests or any.
18:47 < wishie> rolle: can i see the errors when running 'speaker-test -c2 -Dhw:0,0 -twav' aswell  
18:47 < rolle> wishie: Yes, a moment
18:47 < wishie> rolle: pastebin the outputs please 
18:47 < rolle> *** PULSEAUDIO: Unable to connect: Connection refused
18:47 < rolle> Playback open error: -111,Yhteys torjuttu
18:47 < rolle> = connection refused
18:48 < wishie> rolle: ok, alsa-info output please 
18:48 < rolle> Without pulseaudio:
18:48 < rolle> ALSA lib conf.c:3009:(snd_config_update_r) Cannot access file /etc/alsa-pulse.conf
18:48 < rolle> ALSA lib pcm.c:2144:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM default
18:48 < rolle> Playback open error: -2,Tiedostoa tai hakemistoa ei ole
18:48 < rolle> = directory or file does not exists
18:48 < rolle> wishie: Ok, a moment
18:49 < rolle> wget -O alsa-info.sh http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh && bash alsa-info.sh
18:49 < rolle> Oops
18:49 < rolle> clipboard ... grr.
18:49 < rolle> http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=e98a5e571f27ee65f05fe9298649829571eeb0b7
18:49 < rolle> Here.
18:51 < wishie> interesting
18:51 < wishie> please pastebin the file /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf
18:51 < wishie> (if thats where suse stores it)
18:52 < rolle> http://pastebin.com/m1b792a51
18:53 < wishie> hmm
18:53 < wishie> what user are you running alsa-info.sh as ?
18:55 < rolle> root
18:55 < wishie> there has to be a config file hiding
18:55 < wishie> does speaker-test work as root ?
18:55 < rolle> Nope.
18:55 < rolle> Never did.
18:55 < rolle> Not once.
18:55 < rolle> This is quite fresh install.
18:55 < rolle> Only oss works with 2.0.
18:55 < wishie> run alsa-info.sh as your normal user please
18:55 < rolle> Ok.
18:56 < rolle> wishie: http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=aad43bee16486635308d892d8699cdf93ae64576
18:57 < wishie> hmm
18:57 < wishie> and pastebin the file /usr/share/alsa/pcm/default.conf please
18:58 < rolle> wishie: http://pastebin.com/m7c77fbd7
18:59 < wishie> speaker-test -c2 -Dhw:0,0 -twav
18:59 < wishie> work ?
19:00 < wishie> Steve14: interesting.. you can force the MIXER in kdetv, but not the output device..
19:00 < wishie> 
19:00 < Steve14> Unfortunally ... :/
19:01 < Steve14> Any other suggestions for anlogue tv programs with better alsa support?
19:01 < rolle> wishie: Whoa, yes it does work.
19:01 < wishie> rolle: speaker-test -c2 -Ddefault -twav 
19:01 < rolle> First time I hear that awesome Front Left Front Right speech sound jej o/
19:01 < wishie> rolle: but that fails, right ? 
19:02 < rolle> wishie: Yep.
19:02 < wishie> hm.. how.. ?
19:02 < rolle> Pulseaudio unable to connect ... etc connection refused.
19:02 < rolle> Playback open error: -111,connection refused.
19:02 < wishie> grep -R "alsa-pulse" /usr/share/alsa/*
19:02 < rolle> wishie: Nothing prints out.
19:02 < wishie> grep -R "alsa-pulse" /etc/*
19:03 < rolle> It's thinking...
19:03 < rolle> We'll see in a moment if it prints out something.
19:03 < rolle> Whoa a lot of stuff.
19:03 < rolle> Pastebin?
19:03 < wishie> yes please
19:03 < rolle> Most of the stuff are permission denied or device or address not found
19:03 < wishie> id love to know how they managed to entangle pulse in there so much :P
19:04 < rolle> wishie: http://pastebin.com/m551ab279
19:04 < rolle> Laitetta tai osoitetta ei ole =  device or address not found
19:05 < rolle> Lupa evätty = Permission denied
19:05 < rolle> , the translations :)
19:05 < wishie> hmm
19:06 < wishie> do it as root
19:06 < wishie> so we dont get the 'permission denied' errors
19:07 < rolle> Yes sir
19:07 < wishie> something, somewhere, it redefining the 'default' device
19:07 < rolle> It's calculating again.
19:07 < wishie> im just trying to figure out WHERE its happening
19:07 < rolle> Now pastebin >
19:07 < rolle> Or not
19:07 < rolle> wishie: It's the same but without the permission denied lines
19:08 < rolle> I paste some which are not in normal user printout.
19:09 < rolle> wishie: http://pastebin.com/m30c34244
19:09 < rolle> Translated also. :P
19:09 < rolle> gedit replace all macro.
19:09 < rolle> :PP
19:10 < wishie> hmm ok
19:10 < rolle> Hm.
19:10 < wishie> is there a hidden file in your home dir ? like .asoundconf or something ?
19:10 < rolle> Let's see.
19:11 < wishie> also 'ls -R /etc/ |grep pulse'
19:11 < rolle> It seems there is not.
19:11 < rolle> Only alsa-info.sh
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19:12 < wishie> nothing starting with a . ?
19:12 < rolle> peikko:/home/rolle # ls -R /etc/ |grep pulse
19:12 < rolle> alsa-pulse.conf
19:12 < rolle> asound-pulse.conf
19:12 < rolle> pulse
19:12 < rolle> /etc/pulse:
19:12 < rolle> pulseaudio-module-xsmp.desktop
19:12 < wishie> hmm
19:12 < wishie> so what the hell are alsa-pulse.conf and asound-pulse.conf ? heh
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19:12 < wishie> and what references them
19:12 < rolle> wishie: :D
19:12 < rolle> Yep :D
19:13 < wishie> pastebin :)
19:13 < rolle> A moment
19:13 < wishie> ill be back in about 5 minutes.. starting an install
19:13 < rolle> wishie: alsa-pulse.conf: http://pastebin.com/m5fdaa93d
19:14 < rolle> wishie: asound-pulse.conf: http://pastebin.com/m59bee678
19:16 < gnubien> rolle: asound-pulse.conf is in your /home/user-name/ directory? 
19:16 < rolle> gnubien: No, /etc/
19:16 < rolle> My home-folder does not contain any alsa -configs :S
19:16 < gnubien> rolle: ok, mv /etc/asound-pulse.conf /etc/asound-pulse.conf.bak 
19:17 < gnubien> rolle: then try speaker-test again 
19:17 < rolle> Done.
19:17 < rolle> And the test >
19:17 < rolle> Hey great, when wishie's gone, gnubien is here :D
19:17 < rolle> o/
19:17 < rolle> speaker-test -c2 -Ddefault -twav works fine.
19:17 < gnubien> rolle ONLY report no sound or errors after you run this command: speaker-test -c2 -Ddefault -t wav -l1 
19:17 < wishie> gnubien: tag, you're in!
19:17 < gnubien> hehe
19:18 < wishie> ok, so..
19:18 < rolle> Works.
19:18 < gnubien> nice
19:18 < rolle> So what's next.
19:19 < wishie> odd
19:19 < wishie> i understand what is going on now
19:19 < wishie> but i dont understand what calls on alsa-pulse.conf in the first place
19:19 < rolle> Neither do I :S
19:20 < wishie> alsamixer work now ?
19:20 < gnubien> wishie: and rolle that is the weirdest pulseaudio setup i've ever seen in a linux distro
19:20 < wishie> yeah
19:20 < wishie> it leaves all the alsa defaults in place, but overrides the devices anyway
19:21 < wishie> in a non-standard location too
19:21 < wishie> which made it harder to track down
19:21 < gnubien> wishie: keep notes about suse's pulseaudio setup, bet we'll see more of it later :)
19:21 < rolle> wishie: Yes :o
19:21 < gnubien> wishie: think strace might help find that?
19:22 < wishie> woohoo! i successfully hacked up my windows xp cd!!!
19:22 < rolle> wishie: Gongrats :D
19:22 < maligor> I hope it was an axe, hacking up things with other objects is illegal
19:22 < rolle> My mom came to visit >
19:22 < gnubien> maligor: machete's work good too ;)
19:23 < maligor> machete's are only for freedom fighters and rambo
19:23 < wishie> maligor: i dragged it kicking/screaming into 2008.. added in all my SATA drivers, nvidia drivers etc etc..
19:23 < wishie> so now i can boot and install in AHCI mode
19:23 < maligor> oh, heh
19:23 < maligor> windows xp ahci is a bit flaky even so
19:23 < gnubien> rolle: have fun ;) 
19:24 < wishie> well, its that, or i have to enter the bios and switch it back to IDE when i want to boot windows (gentoo is in ahci mode)
19:24 < wishie> rolle: should be able to put your asound.conf (the one i made for you) back in place now.. and things should work 
19:26 < gnubien> maligor: lizzy bordon had an axe; she gave her mother forty whacks; then she gave her father forty-one; and then she knew the job was done ;)
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19:41 < rolle> wishie: speaker-test -c6 -Ddefault -t wav -l1 works, but I hear only "Front left" and "Front right"
19:41 < rolle> Center, Rear, LFE etc, no sound.
19:41 < rolle> Only text.
19:42 < rolle>  0 - Front Left (sound)
19:42 < rolle>  4 - Center (no sound)
19:42 < rolle>  1 - Front Right (sound)
19:42 < rolle>  3 - Rear Right (no sound)
19:42 < rolle>  2 - Rear Left (no sound)
19:42 < rolle>  5 - LFE (no sound)
19:42 < rolle> Time per period = 8,295617
19:42 < rolle> Like that.
19:46 < Matze202> jemand da, der mir auf Deutsch bei nicht funktionierenden Sound mit einer C-Media CMI8738 helfen kann, hab schon die Soundeinstellungen soweit mir bekannt überprüft, aber mein PC gibt leider keinen Mux von sich
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19:50 < wishie> rolle: yeah, the controls were muted from memory 
19:50 < wishie> alsamixer to adjust them
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19:52 < rolle> wishie: I put all to max and still only right and left front speakers make the wav
19:55 < wishie> there is a mute toggle aswell
19:55 < wishie> amixer set 'Surround',0 on
19:55 < wishie> amixer set 'Center',0 on
19:55 < wishie> amixer set 'LFE',0 on
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20:05 < wishie> well, now im annoyed.
20:06 < wishie> i spend AGES slipstreaming an XP media center 2005 disc, so it'll install on a pc i have here.. for the simple purpose of connecting the xbox360 to it..
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20:08 < maligor> and now it doesn't work?
20:09 < maligor> I can guess: It doesn't find the hdd
20:09 < wishie> no no, it works
20:09 < wishie> it installed, updated media center, and connected it to the xbox360
20:09 < wishie> but it just... SUCKS
20:11 < wishie> like, really badly
20:11 < wishie> the day microsoft make something that doesnt suck, is the day they make a vacuum cleaner.
20:12 < rolle> wishie: Still nothing.
20:12 < rolle> I hear only Front left, front right
20:12 < wishie> rolle: did you change the channel mode to 6ch aswell ? 
20:12 < rolle> wishie: Yep.
20:12 < wishie> gimme a new alsa-info post please
20:13 < rolle> Ok
20:13 < rolle> wishie: http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=b1560bd2687d2cf06f14ef10794af9beafa50d22
20:13 < wishie> how the hell can some multi billion dollar company make such a shit attempt at a 'media center' when xbmc is 1000000x better
20:14 < wishie> rolle: amixer set 'Headphone',0 
20:14 < wishie> err
20:14 < wishie> rolle: amixer set 'Headphone',0 off 
20:15 < wishie> also, did we have to force a specific model last time ?
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20:17 < rolle> peikko:/home/rolle # amixer set 'Headphone',0
20:17 < rolle> Specify what you want to set...
20:17 < rolle> Oops
20:17 < rolle> Yes
20:17 < rolle> Sorry.
20:17 < rolle> :D
20:17 < rolle> Now.
20:17 < rolle> wishie: Umm. Can't remember
20:18 < rolle> Yet no other than front sounds...
20:18 < wishie> running what command ?
20:19 < rolle> speaker-test -c6 -Ddefault -t wav
20:19 < wishie> ahh ok
20:19 < wishie> that wont work
20:20 < rolle> :o
20:20 < rolle> So what then :P
20:20 < wishie> speaker-test -c6 -Dsurround51 -twav
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20:22 < idwer> hi, is there a fix for this message-from-dmesg-on-kernel.2.6.27 ?
20:22 < idwer> hda_codec: Unknown model for ALC861, trying auto-probe from BIOS...
20:22 < wishie> yes
20:22 < rolle> wishie: Works :)
20:22 < rolle> wishie: So, do banshee work with alsa by default
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20:23 < wishie> rolle: you have to put the asound.conf back in place if you want the upmixing to work 
20:23 < rolle> wishie: It is in /home/rolle
20:24 < idwer> wishie: where can I find that fix ?
20:24 < wishie> rolle: not as .asoundrc its not :P 
20:25 < wishie> idwer: basically, its caused by the driver not knowing your specific variant of the card.
20:25 < wishie> idwer: you have 2 options really.. force the model type, or upgrade alsa and hope its recognised by default
20:25 < idwer> wishie: but it worked in 2.6.24(.something)
20:26 < wishie> hmm, i find that doubtful..
20:26 < idwer> wishie: ubuntu intrepid's alsa
20:26 < wishie> idwer: can you run alsa-info for me please, so i can take a look
20:26 < rolle> wishie: /home/rolle/.asoundrc exists
20:27 < wishie> rolle: really ? my script didnt pick it up..hmm 
20:28 < idwer> wishie: remote machine, what version of alsa does it require to be installed ?
20:28 < wishie> idwer: hard to know, without the pci and subsystem ids (which is what the script provides)
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20:29 < wishie> rolle: alsa-info.sh --pastebin 
20:29 < wishie> rolle: please :P 
20:30 < idwer> wishie: realtek hd audio, ich7, 10ec:0861 ? :)
20:32 < rolle> wishie: http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=fda599866bccfcf486e417c72cc4b89872fd0564
20:32 < wishie> idwer: ok, so its an ALC660/861 ?
20:32 < wishie> need to know the ssid's now
20:32 < idwer> eh, 11799205
20:33 < wishie> rolle: i need it with --pastebin 
20:34 < wishie> rolle: otherwise the alsa site wont update it (since its the 'same' as a previous post) 
20:34 < wishie> hmm
20:34 < wishie> thats too many digits, idwer 
20:34 < idwer> alsa-base/alsa-utils 1.0.17
20:35 < idwer> hm
20:35 < rolle> wishie: Ok
20:35 < wishie> lspci -vvn |grep -A1 040[1-3]   <-- idwer 
20:36 < idwer> wishie: 1003 ?
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20:36 < idwer> hmm hold on I had a windows' pciid somewhere
20:36 < idwer> ah
20:36 < idwer> HDAUDIO\FUNC_01&VEN_10EC&DEV_0861&SUBSYS_11799205&REV_1003\4&200C011D&0&0001
20:36 < wishie> cant you just run alsa-info ? heh
20:37 < idwer> well, dualboot
20:37 < rolle> wishie: Show how exactly I get it to pastebin
20:37 < wishie> rolle: bash alsa-info.sh --pastebin 
20:37 < wishie> should do the trick
20:38 < rolle> Oh
20:38 < rolle> Thx
20:38 < rolle> wishie: http://pastebin.ca/1225238
20:39 < wishie> rolle: yeah, the config isnt being read.. 
20:39 < wishie> sure its named correctly ? .asoundrc ?
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20:39 < rolle> wishie: Yes, double checked.
20:39 < wishie> permissions ?
20:40 < wishie> and are you running the script as that user ?
20:40 < rolle> Umm root
20:40 < rolle> wishie: Here's user one: http://pastebin.ca/1225242
20:41 < wishie> better!
20:41 < wishie> ok, so, as a user..
20:41 < wishie> speaker-test -c2 -Ddefault -twav
20:41 < wishie> should 'upmix' to all speakers
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20:43 < idwer> wishie: oh yes, that's true, the mixer gui from gnome plays a sound
20:43 < idwer> from its test button
20:44 < wishie> idwer: yes, the error in dmesg is non-fatal
20:44 < wishie> but it might not be choosing the optimal output for that card.. some features may not work
20:44 < idwer> wishie: pc speaker output is lost too (laptop)
20:45 < wishie> idwer: there is a pcspkr module for that
20:45 < idwer> wishie: snd-hda-intel, is there a description of options like 3stack and such ?
20:46 < idwer> wishie: pcspkr (not snd-pcspkr !) is indeed loaded
20:46 < wishie> idwer: yes, in the kernel docs..
20:46 < wishie> ALSA-Configuration.txt
20:46 < wishie> seperated by codec, in the hda-intel section
20:47 < rolle> wishie: speaker-test -c2 -Ddefault -twav    ->    Works.
20:47 < wishie> rolle: speaker-test -c6 -Dsurround51 -twav   <-- works too ? 
20:47 < idwer> hm, it worked before, so when even "auto" fails..
20:47 < wishie> rolle: and do BOTH work at the same time 
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20:47 < rolle> wishie: Yes.
20:48 < rolle> Yes and yes.
20:48 < wishie> idwer: basically, when the driver loads, it tries to match pci/ssid's against known variants in the driver. if it fails, it says "unknown model for <codec>, trying auto probe from bios"
20:48 < wishie> idwer: this _usually_ gives the end user some sound.. but things like digital output, surround sound, capture etc, might not work.
20:49 < rolle> wishie: How to set banshee using alsa
20:49 < wishie> idwer: if i can get the relevant info from you, i can check the current code, and patch it if needed.
20:49 < wishie> rolle: no idea :) 
20:49 < rolle> wishie: mplayer works like charm :)
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20:49 < idwer> wishie: conclusion: adding the right pci id's, recompile. should work ?
20:49 < wishie> idwer: dont even need to do that..
20:49 < wishie> you can force the model when loading the module..
20:50 < wishie> modprobe snd-hda-intel model=whatever
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20:50 < rolle> wishie: You are a lifesaver. Heartful of thanks.
20:50 < idwer> is the model related to any pci id ?
20:50 < rolle> I'm gonna idle here for now on for respect and chat :)
20:50 < idwer> I suppose not
20:51 < wishie> idwer: the models are seperated by codec.. '3stack' for one codec, is not the same as for the other codecs etc
20:51 < wishie> idwer: lspci -vvn |grep -A1 040[1-3]
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20:51 < wishie> can you run that for me please ?
20:52 < idwer> wishie: rebooting, bbl :)
20:52 < wishie> ahh, you're in windows atm ?
20:52 < idwer> jep
20:52 < wishie> fair enough
20:52 < wishie> sorry to be insistent :P
20:53 < wishie> if i can get the ids, i can patch the driver for future users, thats all.